Looks like a Rev Update in the stream

[Canuck]

Looks like b..e..v has inserted an Emm$e3 Rev Update in the stream...


The packets look like 20 fold compared to 4 on the last one...


Should be interesting..

Should take effect in 48 hours..we will see ?


C.

[Cutter]

found this somewhere

C&P

248 rev comin LOOKOUT FTAS could be trouble looks like fun times ahead.


New *** Rev Updates
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[Cutter]

The new rev change for BV and Dish.

C&P
This is from another site but is the latest buzz right now.
I don't know if our private blocker is up to it , only our coder knows for sure if the blocker is expected to protect us. Cards will become very expensive as this rev change kills those we have , or pull your cards...just my 2 cents
C&P

Bad news

Here is some possible disturbing news about upcoming events triggered by the new rev change for BV and Dish.
It means that even the old non-autoroll scripts will be unsafe to use.
If you have no cards to spare, I would play it safe and pull it out!

C/P

Guys we have a wide scale problem with this update. you'll see once they activated it. this update turns on dynamic code like the old Dave USW63 did.

Basically BV is going to send 1024bit command07s that have the keyselect and provider ID morphed so loggers don't catch it right away. The code at 60DB demorphs this to the proper bytes.

But there is going to be dynamic code inside the command07 that gets decrypted and stored at 0100. this cod MUST GET EXECUTED. in order for it to come up with a good checksum/seed and then it passes on to SHA-1. All map calls are riddled on this new update except for sha-1.

Now for the fun part: the decryption of the dynamic code takes place using a 2 new IDEA Keys stored in dataspace. so instead of having 2 ideas keys, we are gonna have 4 now.
2 06 and 46 keys like before, and 2 NEW 07 46 and 0706 keys used to decrypt the dynamic code inside the command07.

Here is the bad news: this key will likely be passed to the cam using EMM-S on a subbed cam like the NFL keys were last year. that means that only paying sub bins will receive the new keyrolls for the 07xx keys. This isn't good as a public community.

The second part is the dynamic code buffer at 0100. they could sneak anything there. they could sneak in OTP checks for marks and stuff like Dave did for the BSH.
The OTP mark on BS h was used to get the control words, and you froze up if you used a BS H card. i expect b*v/d*sh to do the same with 3060/61.

Also in the 0100 buffer most likely is going to be new map calls for data manipulation of the seed required to fix up the control words. And they can xor against anything in eeprom. also they can xor against a known byte for a blocker, and loop the cam using the dynamic code.

You cant block the dynamic code, or you wont get video, you have to let it run. this is going to mean more looped cams like Dave.

This is not looking good folks. not at all. one last thing: they check 3054 for a proper provider mark. if not present, or invalid you get no video. So you'll have to mod the codespace for this little issue, but then again, they can send dynamic code down to "hash" or check for this mod, and if you modded it, you get no video because you don't get the right keys.

so here comes BACK the days of cloakers. and down every week with freezing/005 sh*t.

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later...

Its not that I'm trying to scare you, actually I'm not trying to scare you. I'm only stating what me and the other coders are discussing/seeing.

More is still yet to be known. but as it unfolds, its going more and more like Dave's old tactics every day.

Meaning you'll have to have a valid subbed bin to get TV. like Dave.
you'll have to have cloakers. like dave.
Blockers will no longer have any meaning anymore. like Dave.


FTA is gonna be dead unless they emulate full SFR/Map and all registers/rom calls. because the dynamic code could change to anything at any point in time. its gonna be a up down up down event on FTA to say the least.

The only thing thats gonna stand a chance outside of plastic is the armulator. armulator is full blown emulation except for maps/SFRs. It emulates all opcodes, and emulates eeprom/rom and all of its addresses. It runs ST19 code as if it were native. so if you emulate the SFRs properly, and know enough about map, arm has a good chance to stand up, as you can run an arm blocker-less and set OTP however you like so the dynamic code don't bark at you.

As far as atmegas, and other boards, they ain't gonna stand a good chance at all, because the Atmega and the enigma/etc etc are partial emulators. They only emulate and handle commands. they don't run ST19 code native. at least not to my knowledge. so thats gonna make things really difficult for the Atmega until an ST19 core native emulator is coded.

And i also forgot, CEMU and the like will stand a chance, because they all use address/native code emulation like the armulator

[fmradio68]

Thanks Cutter for posting this extensive and detailed info. Ordered an ARM last week and was thinking of getting another one. Now I will get another for sure. It's been a couple of months that I have been thinking that the providers were going to do something like this but with the ROM206. In my mind the ARM could handle ROM206. I am no coder so I never posted my theories before in various forums for fear of being ridiculed. After reading this post I see that things are going to get interesting.

[Magicmaker]

I don't know what most of that means, but I do know it don't sound good.......

[SSDA67]

Well one thing guys is that the REV is going to change.WHEN who knows for sure and also that the MAP has been re-instated that was pulled a few days ago....

DON'T believe everything that is on the net.They also said that FTA's would be DEAD on 8-16-07.....I still have several that are cooking right along...

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there is something in the works HARD.Why else would they be messing with the MAPS and REVs?!

I just know it aint gonna be today(or tomorrow)..

Good Luck!
SS

[Maverick]

Nagra 2 was also the end of testing...

[SSDA67]

Nagra 2 was also the end of testing...

That's also my point Mav...

Basically there isn't a whole lot of PREVENTIVE Maintenance to this.We can't do anything until it is broke.Speculation will only get us speculation..

You guys are doing one heck of a job here.T has picked some Great mods.You all are at least keeping on top of things.
We'll get through this as well as all the others.It just takes a little time..

Thanks Guys!

SS:sheep2::beer::993:

[Fire1]

so any more news to this

[Syndrome]

Looks like a real S Storm coming, but I don't believe the FTAs will be down for very long.

To much money at steak, not to mention how certain site owners like to manipulate facts and turn them into rumors to increase sales on their own testing devices / platforms.

[Cutter]

C&P

Dish just pulled the Map call

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looks like the fun about to begin.. map call pulled.. break out all your old stuff and watch tv for awhile it won't last long

[SonicAudio]

good news for dish pulling the map calls are...

...rom10 is back running
...rom101 back running
...st19 running with NO aux card


Bad news...

...rev update is coming so pull your cards until it can be determined what is going to happen



Neutral news....


...Arm isnt going to make a diff so let it run
... ST19isnt going to make a diff so let it run

[Total]

YEs , my crystal ball is still broken so I'm going to keep quiet and not speculate ..... I hope that this does not happen ----- :boxing:

[SonicAudio]

YEs , my crystal ball is still broken so I'm going to keep quiet and not speculate ..... I hope that this does not happen ----- :boxing:

it is on the way it is just when,,, there is no other reason to pull the mapcalls



PS. Total i have 2 that work on so if you want to use mine feel free,,,LOL:sheepsa:

[SSDA67]

You can bet one thing....It won't take Charlie/B3V to long to get it blocked out if they have the toys to show they will..

SS:boxing:

[Magicmaker]

Well this is not a rumor anymore. B*v PPV and porn are going away. This is always the first to go. I guess others will follow..... :(

[txsgent]

Not that this will help much.. yet anyway.. but my legal sub s02 card is still at Dsh808... for my rev.. has not changed for several months now.. of course I never turn it off either.. I have not myself. ran any cards for almost 4 months now.. I do need to crank one back up. just to make sure I still know how.. don't want to get rusty.. that is for sure.. I was running a non autroroll blocker.. since I lost one card on Evilrom's blocker.. Don't they normally go after, the international channels first. when they do the major hits? I know, they do change patterns from time to time.. txsgent

[Maverick]

PPV, HD, Porn all down on Bev Arm for the time being...:boxing:

[Clydesdale™]

New REV CHange

C&P
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Guys we have a wide scale problem with this update. you'll see once they activated it. this update turns on dynamic code like the old Dave USW63 did.

Basically {the provider} is going to send 1024bit command07s that have the keyselect and provider ID morphed so loggers don't catch it right away. The code at 60DB demorphs this to the proper bytes.

But there is going to be dynamic code inside the command07 that gets decrypted and stored at 0100. this code MUST GET EXECUTED. in order for it to come up with a good checksum/seed and then it passes on to SHA-1. All map calls are riddled on this new update except for sha-1.

Now for the fun part: the decryption of the dynamic code takes place using a 2 new IDEA Keys stored in dataspace. so instead of having 2 ideas keys, we are gonna have 4 now.
2 06 and 46 keys like before, and 2 NEW 07 46 and 0706 keys used to decrypt the dynamic code inside the command07.

Here is the bad news: this key will likely be passed to the cam using EMM-S on a subbed cam like the NFL keys were last year. that means that only paying sub bins will receive the new keyrolls for the 07xx keys. This isn't good as a public community.

The second part is the dynamic code buffer at 0100. they could sneak anything there. they could sneak in OTP checks for marks and stuff like Dave did for the BSH.
The OTP mark on BS h was used to get the control words, and you froze up if you used a BS H card. i expect b*v/d*sh to do the same with 3060/61.

Also in the 0100 buffer most likely is going to be new map calls for data manipulation of the seed required to fix up the control words. And they can xor against anything in eeprom. also they can xor against a known byte for a blocker, and loop the cam using the dynamic code.

You cant block the dynamic code, or you wont get video, you have to let it run...

In summary, this revision looks pretty complex and is likely to take some time to counter; possibly longer than the Map 57 blackout of Summer, '06. Its going to require patience and flooding the forums with posts about when a fix is going to be released will not be useful nor productive. Hedo2002's comments are right on target and DOES apply to DN. DN hasn't implemented the code yet but they will eventually...you can bank on it.

[jerryO]

Looks like the BEV screew their own legit subs customers, they are loaded with customers complanning that are paying for programming and getting black screens. Looks like BEV may fix their own newest rev update first, before going forward with the update.

[Clydesdale™]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn:

[Sandman]

I love it when that happens!!

:)

[Gliptor]

Serves them right for paying that horrible company money. I can't wait to DC the rest of my services with them!